Recruiting younger people to the nationalist movemnt

[Black Knight]

Well ironically enough, I'm actually studing in the US at the moment but I'm aware of this Americanised culture (writing a Z in Americanization instead of S is an American spelling by the way ) so I tend to stay away from it especially since I'm much more exposed it all the way out here.

As for Australian history, yep I have read up on it, especially on convictism since everyone is trying to manipulate this piece of history and refer to them as muderers and rapists

You're in America now?!  Well that'll be an education for you.  Compare and contrast.  Be sure to say a big "How!" to my Red brothers.  I have always admired the way Indians fought for their lands.  And be sure to visit Audie Murphy's grave.  He's a hero of mine.

Yes, I know the use of zeds is American.  It's deliberate.  Its the only American spelling I use.  I have even gone back to writing "gaol".  I use zed to bring the spelling in line with the original Latin.  Otherwise I'd be writing it like the French do.

You raise an interesting point:  just how bad were our convict forbears?  You'd think somebody would have done a study on that.  I suspect nobody was transported to Australia for rape and murder.  The British would have just hung anybody convicted of such crimes.

[jaxxen]

One of the best ways to attract young people to our party is for us to have policies that appeal to young people. This is why I think it's so important for us to adopt libertarian values as party policy. I'm of the view that young people, along with smokers and hunters/shooters, are one of the groups in our society that is most discriminated against by the establishment.

One issue that young people are generally pretty passionate about is internet censorship. We need to be open and passionate in our opposition to any government censorship of the internet. We need to go hard on the free speech issue, but then also make the obvious link with freedom of association and with opposing racial vilification laws. We must strongly oppose any anti-consorting laws, and oppose the rapidly encroaching police state, like opposing police stop-and-search powers (a hot issue in WA at the moment).

I'm also hopeful that we will take a softish approach on marijuana usage. Whilst I doubt everyone in our party will support full legalisation of marijuana, I'm hopeful that there will be a consensus on at least supporting it being decriminalised.

Young people like their freedom and do not like it being taken away from them. I believe we should support lowering the school-leaving age (state governments around Australia have increased it in recent years). We must not go down the road of One Nation and support things like compulsory national service for young people. Nor should we support raising the drinking age.

We must communicate to young people that the APP is a party that is supportive of their civil rights and does not see young people as "troublemakers".

There's a lot of support for the Greens amongst young people, perhaps because the Greens are seen as "anti-establishment" and have tapped into the sentiments of young people. And whilst we're not likely to win much support from hardcore environmentalists, I still believe that we can win over those who are more Right-leaning.

If we are seen to be "anti-establishment" (which we are), then I believe there is the potential for a lot of support from young people. And let's face it - their support is vital. They are the future!

Jaxxen.

My God, you and your Libertarianism!  Never have I read a more sick prescription for Australia's youth.  Get a grip on yourself, man!  What kind of a party would APP be if it were to appeal to all the worst traits in our young people like nicotine addiction, internet pornography, drug addiction and alcoholism?  Can you imagine the kind of recruits APP would get?:  stoned youth, sexual perverts, junkies and alcoholics.  Is this the kind of people you want to attract to APP?  The kind of country you want Australia to be?

Well now, there's a massive exaggeration if ever I've seen one. My aim is not to get "perverts", "junkies" and "alcoholics" into our party, but to get ordinary everyday young people to join. And I'm not in any way compromising my own principles in order to do this, I genuinely believe in the value of protecting civil liberties.

The fact of the matter is that young people generally appreciate liberty - not because they're all troublemakers, as you seem to imply, but because they appreciate being treated like adults. It's important in their psychcological development. Patronising young people does not do them justice, and worse still, taking an authoritarian approach never seems to lead to improved behaviour from them anyway.

Many young people like to drink and some occasionally use marijuana, but as has been pointed out elsewhere it isn't the 18 year olds who are the biggest social problem in this regard. And it doesn't make them all alcoholics and junkies.

In any case, I'll suggest the sort of youth who would be interested in joining our party would be responsible, well-behaved ones, because that my friend, is what nationalist parties tend to attract.

No, Australia needs healthy, vigorous youth who have been steeled for the battles which Australia will no doubt face in the years ahead.  The sick should step aside for the vigorous and healthy who are the only ones who can rench Australia back onto the path which it has so infelicitiously left.  

As for these other things you mentioned, young people need discipline.  They should not be allowed to consort with criminals and join gangs;  they should cooperate with police at all times;  they should not be drinking grog;  and they should be doing national service as that is the finest way that one can serve one's country.  What could be wrong with all that?!

In this way, young people won't be seen as troublemakers, dope-addicts and malcontents but as useful and respected members of our current society and as worthy inheritors of a future Australia.  The most noble thing that APP could do would be to nurture the youth of Australia and facilitate that transition.

I see you and I have what may be a pivotal philosophical difference for APP members, Black Knight. In a sense, you're right, there's always a measure of troublemakers and malcontents amongst the youth, but I am convinced that further delaying giving young people social responsibilities is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Authoritarianism is not the way. If you look back a generation or two, you'll notice young people often had more freedoms and responsibilities than they do now and it didn't cause society to implode. My father left school at 13, as did many boys of his generation. Boys were commonly taught to handle firearms in many schools across Australia. I can remember junior high myself back in the 1980s when you could buy cigarettes once you turned 16 and when my fellow classmates would bring their collections of bullet shells to school to swap them around. Some even brought live bullets. Just imagine if that were done today! 

I believe we need to understand the teenage mind. In our society today, we restrict young people from having many adult freedoms until the very arbitrary age of 18 and we do so because we don't trust young people with freedom. And yet this is absolutely contrary to how our ancestors and how many tribal cultures around the world treat their young people, and these don't seem to have the same youth rebellion and other common social problems associated with young people and risk-taking.

Risk-taking is a way that boys in particular assert their manhood and in tribal cultures, it is often encouraged and celebrated by the culture with such things as formal initiation rituals when boys reach a certain age. By contrast, we in modern western society often mollycoddle our children because we fear them getting hurt. We delay giving them adult responsibilities, and to compensate, young people invent their own often dangerous initiation rituals like abusing drugs or alcohol, or speeding on the roads or other stupid things.

We incarcerate young people in the school system until they're 18 then we wonder why we have the horror of 'schoolies week" every year now in Australia.

And so I believe the authoritarian approach is not at all the best way to go when considering young people.

[jaxxen]

And be sure to visit Audie Murphy's grave.  He's a hero of mine.

Where's his grave located? He's a hero of mine too. 

I have even gone back to writing "gaol".

Yeah, I spell it "gaol" too now these days. The old British way. 

[mutation Profile]

One of the best ways to attract young people to our party is for us to have policies that appeal to young people. This is why I think it's so important for us to adopt libertarian values as party policy. I'm of the view that young people, along with smokers and hunters/shooters, are one of the groups in our society that is most discriminated against by the establishment.

One issue that young people are generally pretty passionate about is internet censorship. We need to be open and passionate in our opposition to any government censorship of the internet. We need to go hard on the free speech issue, but then also make the obvious link with freedom of association and with opposing racial vilification laws. We must strongly oppose any anti-consorting laws, and oppose the rapidly encroaching police state, like opposing police stop-and-search powers (a hot issue in WA at the moment).

I'm also hopeful that we will take a softish approach on marijuana usage. Whilst I doubt everyone in our party will support full legalisation of marijuana, I'm hopeful that there will be a consensus on at least supporting it being decriminalised.

Young people like their freedom and do not like it being taken away from them. I believe we should support lowering the school-leaving age (state governments around Australia have increased it in recent years). We must not go down the road of One Nation and support things like compulsory national service for young people. Nor should we support raising the drinking age.

We must communicate to young people that the APP is a party that is supportive of their civil rights and does not see young people as "troublemakers".

There's a lot of support for the Greens amongst young people, perhaps because the Greens are seen as "anti-establishment" and have tapped into the sentiments of young people. And whilst we're not likely to win much support from hardcore environmentalists, I still believe that we can win over those who are more Right-leaning.

If we are seen to be "anti-establishment" (which we are), then I believe there is the potential for a lot of support from young people. And let's face it - their support is vital. They are the future!

Jaxxen.

My God, you and your Libertarianism!  Never have I read a more sick prescription for Australia's youth.  Get a grip on yourself, man!  What kind of a party would APP be if it were to appeal to all the worst traits in our young people like nicotine addiction, internet pornography, drug addiction and alcoholism?  Can you imagine the kind of recruits APP would get?:  stoned youth, sexual perverts, junkies and alcoholics.  Is this the kind of people you want to attract to APP?  The kind of country you want Australia to be?

No, Australia needs healthy, vigorous youth who have been steeled for the battles which Australia will no doubt face in the years ahead.  The sick should step aside for the vigorous and healthy who are the only ones who can rench Australia back onto the path which it has so infelicitiously left.  

As for these other things you mentioned, young people need discipline.  They should not be allowed to consort with criminals and join gangs;  they should cooperate with police at all times;  they should not be drinking grog;  and they should be doing national service as that is the finest way that one can serve one's country.  What could be wrong with all that?!

In this way, young people won't be seen as troublemakers, dope-addicts and malcontents but as useful and respected members of our current society and as worthy inheritors of a future Australia.  The most noble thing that APP could do would be to nurture the youth of Australia and facilitate that transition.

Black Knight Just out of curiosity where were you born?


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[Black Knight]

Black Knight Just out of curiosity where were you born?


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I was born in Sydney, Mutie.  Why do you ask?

[Black Knight]

Where's his grave located? He's a hero of mine too. 

His grave is located in Arlington National Cemetery.  Check out Wikipedia.  It has a good article on him and from there you can go to a site dedicated to his memory:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy#Battles

I also like his movies.  I grew up on them.  Aaah, those were the days! 

[numbat]

the problem is you can not get to many of them of good quailty

[mutation Profile]

Black Knight Just out of curiosity where were you born?


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I was born in Sydney, Mutie.  Why do you ask?

Curiosity is all.


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[Black Knight]

Black Knight Just out of curiosity where were you born?


Mutation

I was born in Sydney, Mutie.  Why do you ask?

Curiosity is all.


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Curiosity killed the cat. 

[Overseas Aussie Profile]

Universities among the engineering faculty.

May I ask why the engineering faculty? Are they generally more pre-disposed to nationalist views or something?

[Strom_Here Profile]

Universities among the engineering faculty.

May I ask why the engineering faculty? Are they generally more pre-disposed to nationalist views or something?

Because they are certainly more open to Nationalist thought than the Humanities 

[cutthebull** Profile]

Really Strom ?  My experience has been that they are more disposed to piss and wind (especially at university)

[FinnishNationalist Profile]

Here in Europe, young people are behind the rise of the nationalist parties. For example, in Austria 40% of young people support the nationalist Freedom Party.

Freedom Party has received youth support, because its policy (National liberalism) is completely different compared to the other parties. Party leader Heinz-Christian Strache  is able to present things in a way that appeals to youth. The party also has a good image: it has a great election and promotional materials, strike slogans, high-quality web pages, etc. etc. etc.

Ask them to advise the recruitment of young people.

[jaxxen]

Here in Europe, young people are behind the rise of the nationalist parties. For example, in Austria 40% of young people support the nationalist Freedom Party.

Freedom Party has received youth support, because its policy (National liberalism) is completely different compared to the other parties. Party leader Heinz-Christian Strache  is able to present things in a way that appeals to youth. The party also has a good image: it has a great election and promotional materials, strike slogans, high-quality web pages, etc. etc. etc.

That's fantastic news.  Welcome FinnishNationalist.

[FinnishNationalist Profile]

By the way, is there any study done in Australia about what youth thinks about immigration? In Finland, a survey was conducted a few years ago. It showed that 60% of Finnish young people opposed immigration.